tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post6485402727354863609..comments2023-12-31T02:40:43.545-06:00Comments on The Norse Mythology Blog | norsemyth.org: Questioning Loki, Part OneDr. Karl E. H. Seigfriedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12175244816952769358noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-39808294787469247072016-11-13T03:02:30.774-06:002016-11-13T03:02:30.774-06:00From what I know, probably not for the Germanic pe...From what I know, probably not for the Germanic people. The only connection they had with planets were the Anglo-Saxon gods in relation to the English names of the week. For example, Wotan (Odin) was worshiped on Wednesday. Otherwise it had nothing to do with astrology, unless I'm mistaken. To a small extent, gods were associated with planets and celestial bodies in occultism, but that was only Classical, Amerindian, and Eastern religions. Almost all of that was developed during the Christian and secular era except for Amerindian paganism.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14048434185798732659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-18600274339085290312016-11-13T02:53:47.564-06:002016-11-13T02:53:47.564-06:00Kyle,
Based on his role in the sagas, that he'...Kyle,<br /><br />Based on his role in the sagas, that he's born into a race that's defined almost entirely by chaos and destruction,and that he iniates Ragnarok, I'd say, more than anything, he would play the role of an antagonist. Some modern pagans choose the Jottun and monsters as their deities, and for for their mainly antagonistic role this is controversial if not more than just controversial.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14048434185798732659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-65769289418450574122016-08-13T16:57:01.550-05:002016-08-13T16:57:01.550-05:00I am curious. Rooting off the concept that no one ...I am curious. Rooting off the concept that no one worships him, therefore he is not a god of anything, what true purpose does this being serve?<br />This universe is so big, he has to have some kind of role in the hierarchy of this complex era he spawns from.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14893333574697906275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-24469286660994221042014-09-05T22:34:36.306-05:002014-09-05T22:34:36.306-05:00I just don't believe in Loki. I just don'...I just don't believe in Loki. I just don't see it.Celestehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552785616674478991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-32255486020163139442014-06-24T12:38:03.880-05:002014-06-24T12:38:03.880-05:00Hello,
Is there an astrological connection? ...Hello,<br /> Is there an astrological connection? The Gods/Goddesses of much of the ancient world were almost certainly astrologically based. Is Odin the same "God" as Saturn, also known as Chronos etc Is Thor the same as Jupiter also known as Zeus? These "Gods" are planets and much of religion/myth is metaphorical story for astrology. Please correct me if you think my assumptions are wrong. Thanks. M. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-12688505624874961882014-04-24T11:04:34.813-05:002014-04-24T11:04:34.813-05:00Johna:
Loki and Logi are two different characters...Johna:<br /><br />Loki and Logi are two different characters in Norse mythology. Check out the answer to the first question in the article above, which addresses this common confusion. I hope it helps!Dr. Karl E. H. Seigfriedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175244816952769358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-21669723227211215922014-04-24T07:48:26.686-05:002014-04-24T07:48:26.686-05:00so Loki and Logi are two different Gods but Loki c...so Loki and Logi are two different Gods but Loki can posses fire and control it? i am trying to understand due to an amine im watching, they refer to Loki as the god of fire not as the god of mischief as marvel portrays him. so im just all kinds of confused. Are they confusing Loki with Logi or not??Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980471318223484627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-61691843916117816432013-10-25T23:37:02.321-05:002013-10-25T23:37:02.321-05:00The eating of a woman's roasted heart by Loki ...The eating of a woman's roasted heart by Loki comes from "Hyndluljóð" (Song of Hyndla), stanza 41, but nothing of what Thorpe said is mentioned in it, and the episode isn't mentioned anywhere else in the sources. Basically he just pulled it out of his backside.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-26690469935773948762013-09-20T13:30:56.154-05:002013-09-20T13:30:56.154-05:00Yikes.Yikes.Dr. Karl E. H. Seigfriedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175244816952769358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-15369425750092961312013-09-20T06:19:05.932-05:002013-09-20T06:19:05.932-05:00In Benjamin Thorpe's Northern Mythology. He ha...In Benjamin Thorpe's Northern Mythology. He has Loki down on Midgard. In the shape of a cow. When a piece of Gullveig's thrice burnt heart falls to Midgard. And Loki and eats it by mistake while grazing. From then on he slowly turn evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-49547324961597518172013-08-29T12:18:39.817-05:002013-08-29T12:18:39.817-05:00Dear Anonymous,
You're probably thinking of t...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />You're probably thinking of the bit in <i>Lokasenna</i> where Odin says to Loki, "yet eight winters you were, beneath the earth, | a woman milking cows, | and there you bore children." You may also be thinking of the end of <i>Baldrs Draumar</i>, when Odin says to the undead seeress, "You are not a prophetess nor a wise woman, | rather you're the mother of three ogres."<br /><br />I would probably think of Angrboða as Loki's mistress and Sigyn as his wife, myself.Dr. Karl E. H. Seigfriedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175244816952769358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-86646334492074582162013-08-28T11:40:25.253-05:002013-08-28T11:40:25.253-05:00Am I off my head here or was there astory where An...Am I off my head here or was there astory where Angrboda was actually Loki in disguise?<br /><br />And was Sigyn his.first or second wife?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-47168032118034479432013-01-10T11:28:54.792-06:002013-01-10T11:28:54.792-06:00I'm so glad you talked about the God of Fire m...I'm so glad you talked about the God of Fire misunderstanding -- I never could wrap my head around why people clung to this idea, because if Loki HAD been the god of fire, why on earth would he have lost that race against wildfire?! And how could he have been deceived, for that matter? It just didn't hold up to the story itself.<br /><br />I posted on my blog, too, about Loki as a blood-brother of Odin, and how that might affect his relationship to Thor. I think the dynamic of "Cool Uncle Loki" is WAY more interesting than the "adopted brother" thing that Marvel went with.Amalia Dillinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13005039978668326144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-19873998641507053862013-01-07T13:45:03.506-06:002013-01-07T13:45:03.506-06:00Like I write in the article, we need to be careful...Like I write in the article, we need to be careful about projecting modern concepts (like "psychological elements") backwards onto the source materials. The connection of Loki to wind comes from his alternate name Loptr, which can be interpreted as "the airy one." The connection to fire is, as mentioned in the article, a mistake based on a linguistic misinterpretation. In neither case does psychology enter into the equation.<br /><br />Loki's interaction with Logi ("fire") is not a battle with weapons (fire or otherwise), but an eating contest. The story is actually a riddle based on a pun (Loki/Logi) and, if anything, shows that Loki is <i>not</i> fire.<br /><br />There is no such thing as "hellfire" in Norse myth. This is a Christian concept. The Norse Hel is cold and damp, not hot and fiery. Loki does not burn down Aegir's hall; he merely threatens to do so as he fearfully flees from the threats of Thor. There is no suggestion that Loki has some sort of magic-word power. He's merely threatening to do what (human) characters in the sagas do - burn down the hall of an enemy.<br /><br />As for "Lokabrenna," I have yet to see any occurrence of this term predating the 18th century, after the <i>Edda</i> began appearing in published form. Unless you can find verifiable pre-Christian (i.e., before 1000 CE) attestations, we'll have to assume this term owes more to antiquarian interest or post-Christian folklore.Dr. Karl E. H. Seigfriedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175244816952769358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-11225600859894485722013-01-07T13:13:30.566-06:002013-01-07T13:13:30.566-06:00Loki is not the god of fire but his connection to ...Loki is not the god of fire but his connection to fire definetely are there in the myths. According to Dumezil wind and fire are his psychological elements. The fire element in his myths are many: his battle with the same weapons as Logi, the hellfire that burned down Aegirs hall was Lokis work, inflamed by one word of him, and last not least the Lokabrenna, the icelandic word for dog days heat derive from him - all that can not be denied. <br />Dumezil: Loki 1959, pp. 236 ff<br /><br />And one word about physical handicaps in the heathen world of Northern Europe: we can not deny for reasons of political correctness that any form of physical handicap was defintely regarded as absence of hail (Heil) from the gods. Ronald Kaiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240486053720490881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2841348142033509263.post-35763912310642526412013-01-05T18:26:45.869-06:002013-01-05T18:26:45.869-06:00Very nice. I'm looking forward to the other pa...Very nice. I'm looking forward to the other parts. The group I worship with has open meetings, and newcomers frequently want to talk about Loki. It's honestly a little tiresome, and it'll be great to have your blog as a well-researched resource to point them toward.<br /><br />I agree wholeheartedly with your statement "Archeologists have a distressing tendency to associate with a god any representational figure that they can’t immediately explain." I've said very similar things to others in our group on more than one occasion. Having said that, though, I've always thought the Snaptun forge stone was intended to represent Loki after Brokk sews his lips. My own interpretation of the stone is informed in part by Judith Jesch's "The Norse Gods in England and the Isle of Man," and I believe the stone may reflect a local survival of some version of the myth. Rather than see it as a representation of Loki as god of fire, however, I think it could just be a picture of something from the mythology that the smith could perhaps identify with or enjoyed. The story does after all portray a contest of crafters and a smith getting some measure of payment from or revenge on someone who tried to cheat him. The smith's possession of such a thing doesn't necessarily mean he would have been a worshiper of Loki or a Heathen of any kind.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05064011094705826658noreply@blogger.com